tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5431626075970716650.post572271979253794273..comments2023-11-15T04:55:05.923-06:00Comments on MAL Contends — Legal, political, campaign news, and analysis: Lobbying Firm Wants Total Control of Wisconsin Dem Party for ProfitMALhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05503524741573516284noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5431626075970716650.post-6215932557226379582015-06-03T13:05:31.551-05:002015-06-03T13:05:31.551-05:00Hey MAL,
Sorry if I sounded argumentative. I’m not...Hey MAL,<br />Sorry if I sounded argumentative. I’m not trying to pick a fight. I'm completely with you on your assessment of Nation and Rae. We just have different perspectives on Wineke's chances. I personally think that Wineke is infinitely better than Rae. <br /><br />Since neither of us has talked with each of the ~2100 delegates, the only facts we'll know will come out after the vote count is in.<br /><br />You're a long-time resident of Dane County, I am a long-time resident outstate. From my perch in one piece of outstate, I see little support for Wineke, and less than zero for Rae. Where I am, it’s mainly Laning & Jeff Smith, although Jeff may have blown up his chances last week.<br /><br />You mention that you don't know one person in Dane County that supports Rae. That's reassuring to me. But there's at least one person in Dane County who supports Jason Rae - Michael Basford, the Dane County Dem Chair. Perhaps Basford does not represent (nor have influence with) the DPW delegates from Dane County? http://www.jasonrae.com/basfordendorsement<br />And you’ve probably heard, as I have, that the Milwaukee County party allegedly screened their delegates by whether or not you supported Rae.<br /><br />I mention that Wineke is trying to sell himself as an establishment candidate because of his emphasis on his past experience in (and in control of) the party. I too have had conversations with Joe, and while he hasn't used the word "establishment", I think it fits with his message. Perhaps “experienced” would be a better term. <br /><br />I do think the current establishment would rather see Rae in, and that’s Wineke’s problem – he and Rae are competing for a very similar demographic, and in a single-ballot plurality race that's a problem. My opinion only, YMMV. <br /><br />I see major splits within the DPW and the chair candidates - urban vs. outstate, and establishment vs. reform. Within that last group are those who joined the party in 2011, who have not felt particularly welcomed by the party establishment. How all of that breaks down in the chair vote remains to be seen.<br /><br />And don’t get me started on Tate’s threats to quash any movement to change the voting rules. If the voting rules required a majority, I think it would be between Wineke vs. Laning, because I don’t see how Rae could get a majority.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bob Ettellofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13393808313917700956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5431626075970716650.post-74851346855405168622015-06-03T11:08:24.965-05:002015-06-03T11:08:24.965-05:00Bob,
Your assessment of Joe is belied by the vic...Bob, <br /><br />Your assessment of Joe is belied by the victories achieved in rural Wisconsin under Joe's tenure as Chair (05-09)—when Democrats won majorities in both the state Assembly and Senate and a majority of the Wisconsin delegation of the U.S. House of Representatives— and the fact that Joe still resides in Verona, his hometown.<br /><br />Establishment? Establishment what? <br /><br />In numerous conversations with Joe have I never heard him use that word which you put in quotes. What I have heard is message, bottom-up, grassroots, rural school districts and you can't beat somebody with nobody.<br /><br />I am a lifelong resident of Wisconsin and never have I seen what Walker is inflicting onto Wisconsin. Tommy Thompson is a progressive in comparison. <br /><br />As a 30-plus year resident of Dane County, I don't know one person who supports Jason Rae.<br /><br />Check your facts.MALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503524741573516284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5431626075970716650.post-76001527176911517432015-06-03T10:53:52.205-05:002015-06-03T10:53:52.205-05:00"Others tell me Joe Wineke has enough support..."Others tell me Joe Wineke has enough support statewide in rural Wisconsin to spring a surprise."<br /><br />That would be a real surprise. Wineke has tried to sell himself as an "establishment" candidate. With Dane and Milwaukee counties both throwing their lot in with Rae, where is his constituency? <br /><br />People who've been with the party a while are telling newer members that he didn't treat rural Wisconsin well his last run at chair.Bob Ettellofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13393808313917700956noreply@blogger.com